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« on: October 12, 2008, 10:01:48 PM »

It still sickens me that Christians think their god (the one and only god, btw) needs praise and obedience.

Do you think someone who created everything NEEDS SOMETHING?

Discuss.
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2008, 10:38:44 PM »

No. But then again, what is logic? What other people say is right and sensible?
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2008, 10:45:47 PM »

Maybe God has the mentality of a normal person and needed to create and raise something good to feel good about himself for making it have having it turn out right.
Like a parent about their child.

I have a lot more to say about this subject, but I'm too lazy to type it all out at the moment. Just know I've given this sort of thing a lot of thought.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2008, 10:47:11 PM »

Maybe God has the mentality of a normal person and needed to create and raise something good to feel good about himself for making it have having it turn out right.
Like a parent about their child.

I have a lot more to say about this subject, but I'm too lazy to type it all out at the moment. Just know I've given this sort of thing a lot of thought.

Christians say god is not human and has no human emotions.

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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2008, 10:47:40 PM »

No. But then again, what is logic? What other people say is right and sensible?

Logic is not believing in something for which there is no empirical proof, my good sir.
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2008, 10:48:32 PM »

Er, I've never heard anyone say that God has no human emotions.
If people believed that God has no human emotions, then why are they always talking about Gods love?
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Edit: Or Gods hate
A hardcore Christian named Johnathan Edwards wrote an essay called "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" to motivate people to break from their wicked ways of the time. *sigh* I read too much.

Of course Christians believe God has emotions, it wouldn't make sense if they didn't.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2008, 10:50:19 PM »

No. But then again, what is logic? What other people say is right and sensible?

Logic is not believing in something for which there is no empirical proof, my good sir.
Logic is not refusing to believing in something, it's quite the contrary.
It's believing in something in which there is strict principles of validity.
The problem with this is that Christians believe that God created everything, and since everything exists, it's logical to believe there's a God (from the religious standpoint, that is).
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2008, 10:57:08 PM »

Look at all the stupid shit we believe in 2008.

Now think about the stuff these people believed when they invented "God" and all Christianity.

They needed a way to keep people in line and to explain stuff they couldnt due to lack of scientific progress.

This is what I think anyway.
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2008, 11:03:30 PM »

I agree completely.
And, I'm not one to believe in God or the like, but I do believe it's a really good thing that religion does exist.
Can you imagine the type of chaos there would be if there wasn't religion?
Most people do believe in God and in heaven and hell.
So, they do good things out of the belief that they will be rewarded in the afterlife, and punished if they do wrong.
Without that basis, we would be living a world of savage violence, since people wouldn't have a reason to do the right thing, nor have a clear definition of right.
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2008, 11:15:10 PM »

I agree completely.
And, I'm not one to believe in God or the like, but I do believe it's a really good thing that religion does exist.
Can you imagine the type of chaos there would be if there wasn't religion?
Most people do believe in God and in heaven and hell.
So, they do good things out of the belief that they will be rewarded in the afterlife, and punished if they do wrong.
Without that basis, we would be living a world of savage violence, since people wouldn't have a reason to do the right thing, nor have a clear definition of right.


Hmm...ok. That might be true if you ignore:

-The Spanish Inquisition
-the Crusades
-the Holocaust (religious persecution)
-the Salem Witch Trials
-persecution of gays, zoophiles, alduterers, etc
-Westboro Baptist Church
-Suicide bombers
-Abortion clinic bombings
-and many others

As for "Without that basis, we would be living a world of savage violence, since people wouldn't have a reason to do the right thing, nor have a clear definition of right."Huh

That statement is very ignorant. Morals and a sense of "right and wrong" aren't derived from religion. When boiled down to the lowest common denominator, morals derive from trial and error.
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2008, 11:18:14 PM »

No. But then again, what is logic? What other people say is right and sensible?

Logic is not believing in something for which there is no empirical proof, my good sir.
Logic is not refusing to believing in something, it's quite the contrary.
It's believing in something in which there is strict principles of validity.
The problem with this is that Christians believe that God created everything, and since everything exists, it's logical to believe there's a God (from the religious standpoint, that is).

I know, I was making an example.

It's not quite that simple when it comes to Christians and creationism, I'm afraid. What Christians try to do is add science to myth, something doomed to fail. Eventually, they're going to hit a brick wall and they're going to hit it hard. I'm throwing my bet in that it's when scientists find the Higgs Boson.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2008, 11:41:17 PM »

tom cruise is god
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2008, 01:26:17 AM »

I agree completely.
And, I'm not one to believe in God or the like, but I do believe it's a really good thing that religion does exist.
Can you imagine the type of chaos there would be if there wasn't religion?
Most people do believe in God and in heaven and hell.
So, they do good things out of the belief that they will be rewarded in the afterlife, and punished if they do wrong.
Without that basis, we would be living a world of savage violence, since people wouldn't have a reason to do the right thing, nor have a clear definition of right.
I can imagine a world without religion. Do you know most wars revolve around religion? About who's right and who's wrong. I believe that people truly know whats right and whats wrong and we don't need a stupid book and a phony god to tell us so. In a world without religion world affairs would be much easier. Thing about religion is its too small to be narrowed down to itself, you have to look at what it does to its counterparts. Government, society and everything as a whole. Least thats how I see it.
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2008, 01:53:16 AM »

The reason religion exists is because stupid people far outway intelligent people
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2008, 02:55:25 AM »

Who all likes short to the point answers?...i know i do so...
FUCK...GOD Cheesy
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